View Full Version : Will there always be the poor
Abdoun_bacK
10-03-2005, 07:07 PM
...Yes/NO and why. Will there always be poor people or can anoyone reach a dependable financial status
Debate.
SuperSonicX
10-03-2005, 07:23 PM
<span style='color:blue'>Yes and no..id explain..but im not sure if anyone would understand me... http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif</span>
Yes there will always be poor people.
One Reason : Some people are lazy and don't want to work... so they are poor.
Just one reason do not critisize me for it ^
Abdoun_bacK
10-03-2005, 07:35 PM
Will there always be the poor in America?..thats the true question now
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 07:37 PM
of course there will always be poverty. espically if ur not good with ur money. with higher taxes and stuff in the future, poverty will forever exist
SuperSonicX
10-03-2005, 07:42 PM
Quote[/b] (Abdoun_bacK @ Oct. 03 2005,8:35)]Will there always be the poor in America?..thats the true question now
<span style='color:blue'>Honestly yes i believe that...in america hard work dosent pay..."pyhsical labor" but in other countries its different...so i think.</span>
Virtual Fighter
10-03-2005, 07:45 PM
No, because the poorest person in America is still probably more wealthy than peopel in other countries.
BTW: This topic sucks.
blanka09
10-03-2005, 08:07 PM
Topic sucks ?? ... well, that's just another opinion
Anyway, I had this conversation with a friend of mine who happens to be an idealist. He has this plan of how the world can make itself a better place. Unfortunately, I had the X-factor in the arguement - humans
The reason why most (if not all thigns that don't work) don't work is cause humans are never stable. Always changing to comform to their own demands and meeting their own supplies. As long as the world remains run by humans, there'll always be people at the bottom of the social and financial chain. Some people would be rich, and some would be poor... it's just the way it is.
Restavega
10-03-2005, 08:07 PM
Quote[/b] (TJ5 @ Oct. 03 2005,8:26)]Yes there will always be poor people.
One Reason : Some people are lazy and don't want to work... so they are poor.
Aye to that.
akuma_forever
10-03-2005, 08:07 PM
I must agree with Virtual here. By no means are even the lowest forms of life in America are actually poverty stricken.
Take a look at some third-world countries. That's what poor really is.
blanka09
10-03-2005, 08:09 PM
Quote[/b] (TJ5 @ Oct. 03 2005,8:26)]Yes there will always be poor people.
One Reason : Some people are lazy and don't want to work... so they are poor.
Just one reason do not critisize me for it ^
Good thing you added that last line. That's a good reason, but MOST poor people are just unfortunate and UBER Unlucky.
akuma_forever
10-03-2005, 08:13 PM
Anyone else notice that the three of us posted at the same time? Weird..
Virtual Fighter
10-03-2005, 08:20 PM
That reason is bullpoop. My Dad works 12 hours a day, my mom works 8, they don't drink, smoke or do drugs. They don't gamble or spend their money on useless poop. We're under the poverty level of the US.
Yet, the reason why you say they're poor is because they're lazy? flip you.
And blanka: No, this thread really does suck. I'm either gonna get really pissed at everyone saying "Yes, because poor people r stupid" and start flaming people, or no one is goign to bother to post anything intelllegent and it'll die.
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 08:25 PM
^that is true. being lazy doesnt neccesarily mean ur gonna be poor. i myself know of some wealthy guys that are lazy. but being poor doesnt really mean money (like some countries that dont have enough food for their people or something like that) . money is just controling us. its funny to me how a colored piece of paper can be so powerful to some people. bottom line: the world would be alot more better if there was no money at all
Bandit04
10-03-2005, 08:48 PM
Quote[/b] (gieandfer @ Oct. 03 2005,7:37)]of course there will always be poverty. espically if ur not good with ur money. with higher taxes and stuff in the future, poverty will forever exist
I agree to a certain extent. Yes there will be poverty forever until a solution is reached. I don't think higher taxes is the cause of poverty though, it's people who're unemployed.
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 08:52 PM
yes but it doesnt have to be higher taxes. in the future who knows what will come up and if we do have flying cars in the future then imagine the payments we'll have to make http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif
Bandit04
10-03-2005, 09:22 PM
Yeah, and the national debt will just keep rising. They really need to do something about it, it steadily increases. It's almost up to eight trillion now. I wonder how they'll pay it off..
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 09:35 PM
i think national debt is what i was thinking of when i said higher taxes. and who knows? we might have to start paying with coins to "save the trees"
blaze985
10-03-2005, 09:54 PM
This begs the question...
What is truly meant by "poor." I suppose even that is up to debate...
Anyways, it's hard to say there will always be poor people. We don't know what the future has in store for us. In a world with philosophies as bland and generic as, "I think; therefore, I am." one mustn't ever be too sure of anything... especially the wealth obtained by an individual.
But, to throw away the "neutral position" of this thread, I'll wager that poor people will always be around. It may not be their own fault, and it may be their own fault. Sometimes poor people are lazy, othertimes they're simply unfortunate. Sometimes society as a whole raises the bar of poverty so high that many people fall too short. Though, no matter what the reason is, it seems most logical to put your money on the continuous existance of "poorer, less fortunate individuals."
Though, I'd still like to know what exactly is meant by poor - simply being under the line of poverty, or some other standard of measure...
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 10:06 PM
^ yea but if we continue to have the poor governmenting as today, there will still be poverty
blaze985
10-03-2005, 10:13 PM
I just effing said that poor people will most likely continue to exist... -_-
And, can you do a better job with the government? I, somehow, doubt it.
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 10:26 PM
Quote[/b] ]I just effing said that poor people will most likely continue to exist... -_-
good. im making it true
Quote[/b] ]And, can you do a better job with the government? I, somehow, doubt it.
not just government but politics, presidents, the usual
maybe by voting?
meh.......Im poor http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
KenDaShoto
10-03-2005, 10:42 PM
well i say yes there will always be poor people. its impossible to make everyone equally wealthy. and lets say if everybody had a poop load of money. then the people with the least amount even it was a poop load of money would be considered poor. so people may not always be poor by today's standards. but those standards are subject to change. meaning no matter what some people will be considered poor.
twicecsupreme
10-03-2005, 10:45 PM
There will always be poor people and rich people. That makes a balance in the world, just like good and evil. For someone to be good someone else has to be evil.
complicated topic.........hahahahaha http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
gieandfer
10-03-2005, 11:01 PM
besides if everyone was rich and succesful, then who would deliver our pizzas or mow or lawns for five dollars?
Look, the day this version of poverty even truly began, was the day that people backed the value of objects using some other substance (like gold/silver/paper/shells...). The only way this version of poverty will cease to exist, is to eliminate the system of value with paper/otherwise, and even then, another system would most likely cut loose, and a different form of poverty will rise.
That's why it's really important not to think too much into these kinds of issues: because, even though there is an answer, it's most likely one that you won't like.
And Blanka, in an ideal world, there would be no true ruler of any kind (and the elimination of a caste system would take effect). That's why I find this world to already be run by ideals, and thus, is not ideal.
KenDaShoto
10-04-2005, 02:36 PM
Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 04 2005,3:38)]Look, the day this version of poverty even truly began, was the day that people backed the value of objects using some other substance (like gold/silver/paper/shells...). The only way this version of poverty will cease to exist, is to eliminate the system of value with paper/otherwise, and even then, another system would most likely cut loose, and a different form of poverty will rise.
That's why it's really important not to think too much into these kinds of issues: because, even though there is an answer, it's most likely one that you won't like.
And Blanka, in an ideal world, there would be no true ruler of any kind (and the elimination of a caste system would take effect). That's why I find this world to already be run by ideals, and thus, is not ideal.
yea i kinda already said all that. and why would it be smart not to think about things just because they have an unwanted outcome. if you ask me thats pretty stupid.
blaze985
10-04-2005, 03:14 PM
Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 04 2005,3:38)]And Blanka, in an ideal world, there would be no true ruler of any kind (and the elimination of a caste system would take effect). That's why I find this world to already be run by ideals, and thus, is not ideal.
So, you attest that this world is not ideal due to it being ran by ideals, but your view of an "ideal world" is, in essence, your own ideal.
Needless to say - interesting.
KingAngel
10-04-2005, 03:38 PM
Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 03 2005,8:45)]No, because the poorest person in America is still probably more wealthy than peopel in other countries.
BTW: This topic sucks.
Nuff said!! http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif
KenDaShoto: First of all, I never said it was a smart thing to do, I only said it was important. This, in respect, also means that it is important to think about it (due to a different perspective.. thingy..).
Look, you can argue all you want with me about the ethics of avoiding something because it's unfavorable all that you want. But in the end, the reason why people tend to complain, become depressed, angry, or sad is because they find something unfavorable to them. Furthermore, with this question, there is no true way around the unfavorable to a favorable answer. All I meant, was that it was best to avoid the thought, if you would rather be happy instead of contemplative and below.
Blaze: Right. Exactly. Because I have an ideal that also runs along in this world, this world can not truly be ideal. This simply means, however, that the world can constantly change. Don't question MY motives, thoughts, and opinions on a specific subject until you decide to voice yours out into the open in completion. Okay-nyo? ^-^
marvel911
10-04-2005, 03:53 PM
Yes.
Because those who are rich, or who do not fit into the poor category, do not care. Why care about someone who has nothing, its not your fault they're like that. Everyone wants to get ahead in life and make themselves successful, they have no time to worry about a complete stranger.
Sure some of you might say something like "Baw Gawd that's not true, I do care, I help out." If that's the case, how much do you care? For how long do you care?
Honestly how many of you have seen a beggar on the sidewalk, and crossed the street to avoid him? Or if he did manage to catch you and ask for spare change, you didnt grab your big bills, you extended your hand with a few nickels and dimes, right? Then let's say you turn around and donate soup and canned food to a food bank, does that make you a saint?
So once again, there will always be poor people in this world because not enough people care. Sure it can be said over and over to give money, and donate things. But just because it's said doesnt mean people will listen. For example how many times do your parents ask you to do a chore before you finally get around to doing it?
caylan1234
10-04-2005, 04:20 PM
wow most of you are wrong and the rest are right but if you think people dont come to america to get poorer the come to better themselfs finacially as for the people that are already here some are disabled and a check from the government is just not enough. Like me when i was young we were poor i mean we had a house but no lights, water, gas simple utilitys we need does that make us poor no just finacially unstable reason my mother was disabled so me and my sister had to do the work now she tried but it wasent enough but to most of you that does not matter. What im trying to say is that most people what you so call are lazy are not just mentaly ill or phsically for example crack heads or drunks menatally disabled. And those how try so hard but can never seem to get anywhere there time will come. I just fell so bad for the people who live in those third world countrys.
MEGA_DRACOS_XRL
10-04-2005, 04:28 PM
Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 03 2005,2:45)]No, because the poorest person in America is still probably more wealthy than peopel in other countries.
BTW: This topic sucks.
your opinions sucks. back on topic
i have to go with VF on this one , when i don't have another chouice
i have a question. since america is free enterprise,and have a capitalism, how come evryone here isn't making more than 1000,000 a year
^^^
with poorest person making that?
blaze985
10-04-2005, 04:52 PM
Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 04 2005,4:42)]Blaze: Right. Exactly. Because I have an ideal that also runs along in this world, this world can not truly be ideal. This simply means, however, that the world can constantly change. Don't question MY motives, thoughts, and opinions on a specific subject until you decide to voice yours out into the open in completion. Okay-nyo? ^-^
It isn't that the world 'can' constantly change. It, in reality, does always change. I don't question your motives, thoughts, opinions, etc. I simply pointed out the strange double-standard lying there for everyone to see.
My opinion? My opinion isn't well liked simply because it's negative. I feel that human nature is one of evil intentions, and because of that, I feel that the poor will always exist. I feel that no society on this earth will ever be "ideal" simply because men, at their very core, are evil, full of malice, and hateful. We see this every single day, and even those who are "good" in some people's eyes are still corrupt... no matter how hard they try not to be.
No one is good. No, not one.
caylan1234
10-04-2005, 04:55 PM
the world is hell literally the devil roams on earth because thats hell.
How do you know that this isn't heaven?
gieandfer
10-04-2005, 05:47 PM
Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 04 2005,5:29)]How do you know that this isn't heaven?
uve gotta be kidding me. are u calling murders we see on the news every day heaven? what about the wars going on, the 9/11 attack, poverty itself on earth, terrorists in london is ur idea of heaven?
dont forget the recent bali bombing.... http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
gieandfer
10-04-2005, 06:58 PM
^yea. earth can be alot of things but definetly not heaven for sure
Well, when you consider that everything is simply what you make of it, and when you consider that there IS a chance that existence is only imagined, then you can think that anywhere you are IS heaven or hell. And besides, with all of the different view points, no one can truly say what is heaven or hell. Therefore, here and now, a place and time where all is controlled by the heart, can very well be heaven. And.. because of all of the people who I've come to love.. I can only imagine what any other "heaven" could truly be.
Never forget, that nothing can be something, without another thing to contrast from.
Virtual Fighter
10-04-2005, 09:42 PM
EDIT: Post erased because even I felt bad about it. http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
ledmonkey
10-04-2005, 09:54 PM
<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>It depends really if your talking on a world or more localized economic scale...techinically in the world, if you make over 5k a year...your rich...unfortunately...that would be considered poor here in America, but it is still WAY more that somebody could be making in a developing nation..
Im afraid that there will always be poor people......In capatitalism.... there will be poor people... in communism... there may be more...( unless of course true communism was achieved, and nobody would be making any money at all, but nobody would be w/o food and shelter, but that is an virtual impossible, a country has never made it past stage 3)..
You wish that there couldn't be poor people, but it unfortunately isn't that way...
.... so no..</span></span>
KingAngel
10-04-2005, 10:42 PM
Doews the expression hell on earth Help?? http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/bigsmile.gif Were far from heaven.
*sighs* You just don't get it..
Virtual Fighter
10-05-2005, 01:35 AM
But in his ignorance lies heaven, MIRITE?
gieandfer
10-05-2005, 06:56 AM
Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 04 2005,8:37)]Well, when you consider that everything is simply what you make of it, and when you consider that there IS a chance that existence is only imagined, then you can think that anywhere you are IS heaven or hell. And besides, with all of the different view points, no one can truly say what is heaven or hell. Therefore, here and now, a place and time where all is controlled by the heart, can very well be heaven. And.. because of all of the people who I've come to love.. I can only imagine what any other "heaven" could truly be.
Never forget, that nothing can be something, without another thing to contrast from.
well if youput it that way then yes, earth is mixed heaven and hell. i guess your just seeing what its like so u make the right decision and choose to go to heaven.
mastergrim8
10-05-2005, 09:20 AM
the world is always balanced and has to be balanced take science for example every element in compounsds are balanced
Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 04 2005,3:35)]But in his ignorance lies heaven, MIRITE?
I suppose. But Bliss and happiness aren't always heavenly.. ^-^
KenDaShoto
10-05-2005, 01:58 PM
Roll: your ideals were much better stated this time. and though i dont agree still respectable. and i also get what ur sayin about the heaven or hell thing. no one can say that it is heaven or hell because everyone has a different view of heaven and hell.
Blaze: i will have to agree with you on the fact that all people are corrupt. but not all are not evil by my definition of evil. but true the world is as it is because of humans. no one is to say it would be better without humans though.
The-Infamous
10-05-2005, 08:03 PM
roll i will never understand u, u are complicated and very very misunderstood, y with all the ambigous and un-understandible comments please explain your dimision on subjects a little better, because really what the hell does heaven and hell have to do with poor and rich, and for the subject on poor people yes there will always be poor people. cause thats how a capitalistic society works rich/ poor nothing else to it.
I don't need to explain myself to you, nor anyone else. If you can't see the transition between the two... no, three subjects, then go back and figure it out. I've no time to play teacher for someone who puts an insult into a request.
Restavega
10-06-2005, 12:11 AM
College, college, college.
If you're working 12 hour days and still in poverty you should've went to school. It's never too late to go back to the books. My parents both went to college and I've had a pleasent life because of it.
Many of you have parents that are working hard barely supporting the family. That's a sacrifice for you to go to college and make it happen. And if they worry about not affording college get your ass up and work, too, unless you want to be like them.
KingAngel
10-06-2005, 12:16 AM
Quote[/b] (gieandfer @ Oct. 05 2005,7:56)]Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 04 2005,8:37)]Well, when you consider that everything is simply what you make of it, and when you consider that there IS a chance that existence is only imagined, then you can think that anywhere you are IS heaven or hell. And besides, with all of the different view points, no one can truly say what is heaven or hell. Therefore, here and now, a place and time where all is controlled by the heart, can very well be heaven. And.. because of all of the people who I've come to love.. I can only imagine what any other "heaven" could truly be.
Never forget, that nothing can be something, without another thing to contrast from.
well if youput it that way then yes, earth is mixed heaven and hell. i guess your just seeing what its like so u make the right decision and choose to go to heaven.
Pretty much.The-Infamous does have a some what of a point though capatilism is the way of life that we lead.....but the subject on hell and heaven http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I started that. I was caught up in the moment of some movie I was whacthing....so There shouldnt be any questions from here on out not unless you still dont understand then I reccomand re-reading the thread,read the bible,and look up some of that good old world history to capatilsim and communism.
ledmonkey
10-06-2005, 01:48 PM
Quote[/b] (Restavega @ Oct. 06 2005,1:11)]College, college, college.
If you're working 12 hour days and still in poverty you should've went to school. It's never too late to go back to the books. My parents both went to college and I've had a pleasent life because of it.
Many of you have parents that are working hard barely supporting the family. That's a sacrifice for you to go to college and make it happen. And if they worry about not affording college get your ass up and work, too, unless you want to be like them.
<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>It would be nice if it was that way..but not everyone has the opportunity to go to college...</span></span>
KingAngel
10-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Sad and true......but sometimes it not because of financial status.Some people just......well you know.
(ShinKu_Ryu)
10-07-2005, 11:19 AM
Quote[/b] (Restavega @ Oct. 06 2005,1:11)]College, college, college.
If you're working 12 hour days and still in poverty you should've went to school. It's never too late to go back to the books. My parents both went to college and I've had a pleasent life because of it.
Many of you have parents that are working hard barely supporting the family. That's a sacrifice for you to go to college and make it happen. And if they worry about not affording college get your ass up and work, too, unless you want to be like them.
<span style='color:green'>that was an idiotic post.....in many other countrys around the world people cant afford to go to school, or its just not possible for them because of various reasons! not that because they are lazy or dont want to...
seems like you made that poste senselesly withought thought!
-reasons for people around the world not being able to go to school may be because:
-depending on the country
-simply cant afford because they ae not given the chance to proceed in life
-have to take care of family members and have to work with the only job they have
here were we live we have many chances and oppotunitys that we can have and do...in many other countrys around the world many are just not as fortunate!</span>
Shinatsu
10-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Heres my take on this subject matter:
There will always be people without a financial status....think about it. Some People set themselves up for failure, others it just happens out of the blue.
Now if everyone had a stable financial status, currency would have no meaning in the world since everyone would be on the same level, thus the economy would stop because people would not want to work..so yes poverty must exist (unfortunately) to keep the economy moving.
ledmonkey
10-07-2005, 04:05 PM
<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Its simple economics..the economy would be able to handle everyone not poor..</span></span>
(-ChOsEn-1-)
10-07-2005, 06:01 PM
Quote[/b] (ledmonkey @ Oct. 07 2005,5:05)]<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Its simple economics..the economy would be able to handle everyone not poor..</span></span>
he hit the nail on the head http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif
Zapper
10-09-2005, 01:19 AM
what a suck up^
KingAngel
10-09-2005, 01:36 AM
Quote (ledmonkey @ Oct. 07 2005,5:05)
Its simple economics..the economy would be able to handle everyone not poor..
he hit the nail on the head
Ture true.... http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif So sad yet true.
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