Itt we discuss this statement:

[Virtual Fighter]

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-- Stephen Roberts


Discuss.

[Roll]

Not quite the best choice of a topic... Nevertheless...

The reasoning behind that statement lies in the actual definition of the word "atheist":
'One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.'
Thus, it is possible to become an atheist, even with the belief of a specific god, such as the christian god, and buddha. And anyway.. none of us are literally born with a belief in mind, so, technically, as we are born this way, we are atheist. Granted, most babies hardly have any actual concrete thoughts to begin with, and the idea that they can form a belief immediately at birth is scientifically absurd.. but, that only further proves my point, I believe..

[Virtual Fighter]

You make a better topic for discussion, then.

[alamgir]

Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 05 2005,7:07)]Not quite the best choice of a topic... Nevertheless...

The reasoning behind that statement lies in the actual definition of the word "atheist":
'One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.'
Thus, it is possible to become an atheist, even with the belief of a specific god, such as the christian god, and buddha. And anyway.. none of us are literally born with a belief in mind, so, technically, as we are born this way, we are atheist. Granted, most babies hardly have any actual concrete thoughts to begin with, and the idea that they can form a belief immediately at birth is scientifically absurd.. but, that only further proves my point, I believe..
A baby might not possess any sort of religious knowledge when born, but how can you say we were all born athiests when we didn't understand the concept of religion and gods at the time in the first place?

And what's this "Itt we" stuff about VF?

[marvel911]

Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 04 2005,10:14)]"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Well being an atheist is a personal choice when one refuses to believe in any god or higher power. Also, following whatever religion is also a personal choice. However some christian people I know do not deny any other gods, they believe in it all,and accept it all, though choose to simply follow one.
Though naturally there are those who deny the others and only accept the god of their religion. And that to me is not a true atheist because they still follow a higher power.

[Roll]

Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 04 2005,3:46)]You make a better topic for discussion, then.
What I meant, actually, was that this was a religious-related topic, which may become very heated. Furthermore, there is, I believe, a rule against this topic.. but for now, let's let it slide until someone decides they don't like it, ok? ^-^

alamgir: My point, was that because we don't or can't understand such a thing as a ####orn, means that we don't come with any beliefs of any type. It's our growth process which determines our beliefs, if any, not our birth. We are born as an atheist, but have the potential to become something else, or (in the eyes of any religious tactitionist) something more. That's all I meant, really..

[Bandit04]

Don't believe in the existence of God eh? Well, his end is near for that statement..

[Zpower]

Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 05 2005,2:03)]let's let it slide until someone decides they don't like it, ok?
Just because someone dislikes something doesn't mean we have to delete a certain thing for their own selfish desires....
Anyhowback on topic
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Stephen Roberts makes a great point, for why should he believe in another person's God or gods if they dont believe in his? The whole concept of religion is insufficient at best. Most of our information about religion is based on historical events that we have no concrete evidence ever happened. Just think about what you're telling yourself. You believe someone walked on water, cured the blind, healed the sick, died on a cross, and rose with all power in his hands? Then after all that he ascended to a place where the streets are paved with gold and have many mansions? Do you also believe in a fat jolly old man in a red and white snow suit who travels in a sled powered by flying reindeer and gives good little kids presents? Learn to think not follow.....

[alamgir]

Quote[/b] (Roll @ Oct. 05 2005,7:03)]Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 04 2005,3:46)]You make a better topic for discussion, then.
What I meant, actually, was that this was a religious-related topic, which may become very heated. Furthermore, there is, I believe, a rule against this topic.. but for now, let's let it slide until someone decides they don't like it, ok? ^-^

alamgir: My point, was that because we don't or can't understand such a thing as a ####orn, means that we don't come with any beliefs of any type. It's our growth process which determines our beliefs, if any, not our birth. We are born as an atheist, but have the potential to become something else, or (in the eyes of any religious tactitionist) something more. That's all I meant, really..
Yeah I get what you mean now Roll.

[kester-]

yes, I suppose that I am an athiest to all the gods that I dont believe in.


yay?

[vx_unicom]

<span style='color:red'>Oh my..., another senseless discussion that we will resolve to flamming, and such.</span>

[Virtual Fighter]

For those who didn't catch it, let me explain it:

He's saying that you deny all other religions and gods not because you believe in yours but because you see theirs to be impossible. The other day in class we were discussing the mormon religion, and how they believe jesus appeared to the native americans. Everyone laughed at how stupid the idea was, except for me and the mormon kid. I said outloud, &quot;Oh yeah, like that's anymore logical and reasonable than any other religion.&quot;
Everyone staired blankly.

Either you accept all ideas of the supernatural and you truly believe in the supernatrual, or you keep your head on the ground and believe what's truly there.

And VX_Unicom, shut up. If you're not going to add to the thread or discussion in any way just stfuor start being funny.

[twicecsupreme]

an atheist topic....WOW!!
nothin better to post as topic than this(sarcastic statement) http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/plain.gif http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/huh2.gif

[Virtual Fighter]

It's a good thing you put &quot;sarcastic statement&quot;, without it I would have never realized.

[ledmonkey]

<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>I am not an athiest but I find that quote very clever...</span></span>

[Restavega]

Everyone suddenly becomes religious when they're about to die... that's for sure...

[Virtual Fighter]

Not me, I keep it real.

[dominicankid098]

Quote[/b] (vx_unicom @ Oct. 04 2005,8:15)]<span style='color:red'>Oh my..., another senseless discussion that we will resolve to flamming, and such.</span>
Oh shut up. Jeez you suck x10. BTW, what is this &quot;we&quot; thing? Get out of here.

Quote[/b] ]&quot;I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.&quot;
-- Stephen Roberts


Discuss.

marve|911 makes a point. I beleive that there are other gods out there, but I guess I only follow one? Though I have not gone to church in a pretty long time. =x (well in ny, i visited some buddhist temple)

Anyways, I like that quote from Stephen Roberts. Made me think alot.

[(ShinKu_Ryu)]

<span style='color:green'>-Everyone has their own kind of belief and their own point of view of things. Every churh claims to be the church of God, and thus see that only what they belive in is the truth and not wanting to be corrupted buy any other teachings. ...then there is the truth..which is onother thing..

I wont go into that but what someone else's belief is his own..and you cant try to have a debate or disscusion to try and prove them wrong or try to prove that what your trying to say is right and their wrong'''. .....

Certainly not a topic i would spend my time on to discuss because it wouldnt make any defference thus also it is meaningless.</span>

[kester-]

Quote[/b] (Virtual Fighter @ Oct. 06 2005,1:25)]Not me, I keep it real.
you've almost died?

[Virtual Fighter]

Plenty of times.

[akuma_forever]

Different people have different belief systems, and this is based on a number of factors. For example, their culture, how they were raised, what they have experienced during their life, and the kinds of people that they are surrounded with.

Those factors play a key role in religion for almost every person on the planet. However, religion is also a choice. People choose what they want to believe, based on their style of life. Some people would rather believe in concrete evidence, and science. Other people rely on their &quot; Faith &quot; that they have in the religion that they participate in.

Religion shouldn't seperate people, it should unite them. People should learn to accept and respect other people's beliefs, and maybe we wouldn't have half of the problems we have in the world today if people could just learn to respect one another.

But most people that are a member of a religion, especially the major religions, are not that accepting of other religions. Let's take Christianity/Judaism and Islam, for example. Two of the world's major religions, and also two of the most quarreling kinds of people in the world. They have the upmost faith that their god is the only &quot; One true god &quot; and are willing to go to the extreme for it. So, they don't have any acceptance of any other followings, which is quite sad for a religion that is suppossed to be &quot; The Truth &quot;. People need to respect and honor each other's belief, regaurdless. I believe that would make the world a much better place.

Atheists on the other hand believe in no higher power, most believe in just pure science. And that is another belief that should be respected by all peoples.

If everyone could learn that, the world would be a lot better off.

[ledmonkey]

Quote[/b] (akuma_forever @ Oct. 06 2005,7:43)]Different people have different belief systems, and this is based on a number of factors. For example, their culture, how they were raised, what they have experienced during their life, and the kinds of people that they are surrounded with.

Those factors play a key role in religion for almost every person on the planet. However, religion is also a choice. People choose what they want to believe, based on their style of life. Some people would rather believe in concrete evidence, and science. Other people rely on their &quot; Faith &quot; that they have in the religion that they participate in.

Religion shouldn't seperate people, it should unite them. People should learn to accept and respect other people's beliefs, and maybe we wouldn't have half of the problems we have in the world today if people could just learn to respect one another.

But most people that are a member of a religion, especially the major religions, are not that accepting of other religions. Let's take Christianity/Judaism and Islam, for example. Two of the world's major religions, and also two of the most quarreling kinds of people in the world. They have the upmost faith that their god is the only &quot; One true god &quot; and are willing to go to the extreme for it. So, they don't have any acceptance of any other followings, which is quite sad for a religion that is suppossed to be &quot; The Truth &quot;. People need to respect and honor each other's belief, regaurdless. I believe that would make the world a much better place.

Atheists on the other hand believe in no higher power, most believe in just pure science. And that is another belief that should be respected by all peoples.

If everyone could learn that, the world would be a lot better off.
<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>You are a smart guy...</span></span>