Trade Market system, your thoughts ?

[SSJKarma]

Hi people, the question says it all but i'll be giving here my idea to make it better. because i been thinking for quite a while that the casino (which was supposed to be a temporary event) was just not the right way to gain something. if one thing was sure it is that it was able to use the creed system as a money like system, but right now i think it was just bad to do so.

Heres a few idea i have in mind that could help make that system a lot better and less shrouded. first and foremost i want to say that if i go with this, i will put the items for every characters. not that i didn't plan it out, i was planning it already. but this will remove the current system which is gaining tokens in order to trade for items. I dont think this system has a future to be honest, it was ocol while it lasted, but it is not giving you anything really. its more like random luck and i am not for that kind of things.

the actual plan that i have in mind and that i want to expand with you people... is the fact that we could use the creed system to enable fights to actually give you points, and as long as you get those points, you can have the items unlocked. points being in reality the amount of wins you get on that creed versus whatever other creed we want. The major drawback of this system is that i have strickly no way to remove the wins once you trade, and thus this system is more like an unlock feature.

the good thing about this system is that i can concentrate more ont he items to add instead of the creation of the different games, because there will be only one game being played and that would be SFO multiplayer.

so here is my idea in a nutshell, remove the casino, players will have to fight for their wins and then be able to unlock things like creed titles and colors.

i dont think it is much of a deal... i was proud of that slot machine... but rolling forever to get a single chance at gaining something... it is not my style... i'd preffer to work on something more worth while. and what i found the most valued aspect of it is the market, you all been asking for more and i wasn't a deaf ear. This project hasn't started yet, i have many things on my mind, but this one is definitely coming for next year. that and another project of mine.

so tell me...
is it something you'd be good with, something that you would enjoy or do you just preffer the old casino way ?

[LuXv]

I love the idea but this might be making SFO more like an RPG a bit, although the currency will be wins, but what will they get in this new Store? like tints and colors? As long as there's no power boost im good for it, some typical items I could see in this store would be

Tints Range of 20~50 wins
Colors 125~300 wins
Creeds (No added damages) (Depends) 10~300 wins
Stages (Depends) 100~300 wins

Etc. I mean there can be rare items to get and even some like sales and etc. I really like this system that your purposing but like you stated the only problem would be with removing the wins, Im thinking after you make a purchase ur Creed wins/Losses reset, so you can only purchase one item at a time. Witch would be a drag.

Also, im not sure about the creeds, there more like titles (With no boost of course)
The Annihilator
Unstoppable
The Destroyer
Etc. little titles like that.

& You could buy stages and even Exclusive (Non Mod,Event Winner, T-Winner) Colors), we could make a separate Sheet of colors only gain-able through this system too.

[SSJKarma]

you have to remember, i cannot make colors in the creed thing, mainly just tint which should be enough considering they are cheaper and easy to get version of the true colors. so expect to see, ghost form, tints and titles, probably nothing else... though i could talk to tmyapp about adding bonus damage and armor... but that would be making the prices on those items a hard time to get.

i was thinking, basic tint would be like 10-20 wins...
great tint colors would be more like 30-40 wins.
ghost form would be around 60
titles would be around 100
and dual and tripple item creeds would be the top and be like 200+

something along those lines... as mentionned the creed wouldn'T ahve any ways to remove the wins, thus it would then serve as a score to remember what is availlable to you, thus making an unlock system out of the current SFO which only feature the character unlock for non-vips. one of the thing would also be availlable only to VIPs and giving them say a 30% discount, so items at 100 wins would become 70 wins to get. you know something to make them feel something is for them.

i'm still trying to figure out if this is worth it though, i mean it is not complicated to do, but will there be enough creed people to fight and gain wins off. which leads me to the other problem i have... right now i use 2 creeds, one for the tokens and one for the items. in this scenario only one creed is used... but that creed has to fight another creed to get their wins... my thought was to make them be able to fight any creed and get wins on any creeds availlable... but the second option would be to make tmyapp work a bit more and enable users to fight same creed users and get the wins. which would make it easier to notice who is who.

both version of the idea have their advantage and disadvantage...
- all creed fight is making it easier to get wins. and doesn't require the people to seach far to get their wins.
- same creed fight... thats making the game harder to find enemies but give the users a run for their wins because of the fabled rarity !

both have their pros and cons so... thats one mor eproblem to solve if i do this.
i'm definitely thinking of removing the casino for now and maybe transform it into a temporary event for the next year.

thanks for the feedback.

[DARK-RAIKEN-X]

i like the idea it makes sense

[(Hado)-(King)]

You should be able to keep your current creed and at the same time hold a tint.

[LuXv]

I honestly think it should be against any creed. I and not tiles, so you cant gain a win off someone who only has a VIP title or T-Winner, you need to fight someone (Anyone with a creed I think that would make this more of a success, Because many people are not going to want to change there creed Again for something, they don't want to have to go and change it all over again.

Plus I think it would be cool, lets say maybe (Just an idea) against "Higher" creeds or something you can get 2 wins off of for the price of one, so lets say someone beats You Karma They get 2 wins, sort of like how The rage factor works to an extent.

I mean an old X-Mod made a thrid=party system where users could get colors off of wins I believe, although it was a Beta system Colors where still available upon unlocking them Via wins or achievements. So If its possible it would be nice to add a new edition to colors to this.

And also based on the participation and how fast and much people play to get wins, I could see some future Price changes, chus wants going to happen when someone has 500 wins?

[SSJKarma]

Hado-King: in fact thats also one of the reason i want to change the system, right now it uses 2 creeds... but if i go the other route... it will be able to have one single creed which gives you your wins and able you to change item on the fly without having to switch creed.

Lux : unfortunately, colors cannot be added to this... and by armor and damage, those would be needing major wins to unlock. and we all know that a few numbers of those dont change the gameplay much ! people been wanting an RPG for a whle and RPG wise multiplayer would be a great thing. and thus winning more damage or armor because you won a certain amount of match is probably the closest thing to a multiplayer RPG we can get. of course i had other ideas in head for an rpg, but thats on another subject which is far from here.

all that said, this is why i am speaking of it now, because the system is pretty much just a thought right now, something that i'll definitely do but right now its more of a thought then anything. reason being i really hate the current system.

so thanks for the input people.

[flamesz]

i read most of what u said
to much writin to keep goin on but for the most part i like it
it would take ur sfo cansino to a big upgarde i say go with it
even thou it has sum missin parts no thing is perfect

I like it :D

[(M-X)RecKoninG]

Yes I like this Idea, This would be better then using casino and trying our luck. Although Casino was a nice implementation it was just the odds of actually winning other then that I still see people with items such as ghost ryu and other various tints.I say go for it. New year, let's try to get some new things started.

[-†DJ-Eric†-]

I never liked the casino.. very poorly executed.. at the very least I wish it would let you "choose" when to stop like a real casino.. However, it just randomly stops and its rather annoying to be honest.. I still got my ghost ryu, but still.. I would have used it more if it would at least let me choose the thing to stop.

However, I like this new idea as well.. what is going to happen to those that did acquire "tints or ghost form" if this does come into play..? Are we going to have re-earn them again..?

[SSJKarma]

DJ-Eric, in real casino you dont get the choice of when to stop them, you push the lever and it stops on its own. at least that s how the casinos around here works on.

poorly executed ?!!
that truly insults me, i passed 2 months making that thing just perfect for a christmas release. the market took me even more time then that. heck i even got animations added into it and you shouldn't even have that to begin with. not to mention that this slot machine was made on an engine not designed for it. so excuse me if you think you'd have done a better job at it... but thats the best i could do with so few ressources.

has for your question about items, they all get to stay in it... all those who have them already all gets to keep them... but when it comes to new people after the changes, they will all have to unlock them by fighting online !

[-†DJ-Eric†-]

DJ-Eric, in real casino you dont get the choice of when to stop them, you push the lever and it stops on its own. at least that s how the casinos around here works on.

poorly executed ?!!
that truly insults me, i passed 2 months making that thing just perfect for a christmas release. the market took me even more time then that. heck i even got animations added into it and you shouldn't even have that to begin with. not to mention that this slot machine was made on an engine not designed for it. so excuse me if you think you'd have done a better job at it... but thats the best i could do with so few ressources.

has for your question about items, they all get to stay in it... all those who have them already all gets to keep them... but when it comes to new people after the changes, they will all have to unlock them by fighting online !

When I meant purely executed I meant that "to my knowledge" casino's around where I live like Atlantic City NJ let you "slow down" the rate at which the 3 boxes after it has sped up after already selecting the previous one. I merely didn't understand the fact that you press it "once" and it'll land on whatever its supposed to. However, I do appreciate the implementation of the slot machine anyway and the prizes it does offer, even if it is kind of unrealistic from my point of view of its mechanics. :biggrin:

[SSJKarma]

Ever hapenned to you that maybe the machine has already chosen way before the machine slows down and that the slow down might be just for you to have kind of a semi control that in reality you do not have ?

This is why randomisation by computer is truly randomised.
say you use your hands to shuffle a card game, the way you shuffle the cards isn't truly shuffling them. reguardless of how much you shuffle them they aren't truly shuffled. shuffling machines have the same problem, they aren't truly shuffling. but computers... make them choose numbers at random and believe me its gonna be truly random.

but a computers takes less then second to randomise 3 numbers. this is why i dont think slot machines gives you control to begin with, they are mostly computers thus it takes only a few seconds to get what will come out, the rest is just mechanics to animate the slot machine.

[(Hado)-(King)]

^What he said. Your fate is decided as soon as you hit the button, regardless of how long the animation takes. Thats just for entertainment purposes.

[-†DJ-Eric†-]

^What he said. Your fate is decided as soon as you hit the button, regardless of how long the animation takes. Thats just for entertainment purposes.

I want to be entertained.. plus when I wouldn't click more than once it would land on shadoloo more often, rather than if I clicked on the screen 2-3 times.. in a way it would make it land on what I desired.. not very accurate but at least a 60% chance..might just be psychological..

[SSJKarma]

You sir are definitely struck with the "everything is calculated and i must find the calculation" syndrome !

you know those who play and think that nothing is random in this world and that all that is needed is to find the key to winning such things. seriously, may you be entertained or not, what i did to those slot machines is th ebest we can do, and its already greatly animated !

[-†DJ-Eric†-]

You sir are definitely struck with the "everything is calculated and i must find the calculation" syndrome !

you know those who play and think that nothing is random in this world and that all that is needed is to find the key to winning such things. seriously, may you be entertained or not, what i did to those slot machines is th ebest we can do, and its already greatly animated !

I just put it into my "solve everything calculator" and poof it gives me the best way to go about things :biggrin:

how about a couple PG-13 women animations on the slots ;O.. a male version as well for the few ladies on this game.

**** just got real.

[Leviathan]

I'm fond of this new system.

[Orlando0]

I just put it into my "solve everything calculator" and poof it gives me the best way to go about things :biggrin:

how about a couple PG-13 women animations on the slots ;O.. a male version as well for the few ladies on this game.

**** just got real.


plz stop posting here.

[avatar-killers]

I like this idea of a Trade Market system, hopefully it's something to look forward to in the New Year, or at least discussed even furthur....

[Vampire_Prince]

i like the it just the way it is... time well wasted thumbs up to you sir :)