Itt we discuss the validity of the "rulz"

[Virtual Fighter]

K, so I saw new "rulez" went up (with a name like that, he doesn't expect us to take him siriously, does he?) And i'm pretty angry. Warmor had some GREAT rules up, the best i've seen on any forum, everything was pinpointed on how the members should act and how the mods will act twords the members in certain situations. Everything was by the book. Now, viper, a person which I already didn't like because he did the whole "Oops I clicked the "warn" button twice and that now gives you five, sorry you can't even post a 'hey wus ging on hurr?' thread lawlz" thing, but he made some really, really bad "rulez" in my oppinion.

Quote[/b] ]1) RESPECT THE AUTHORITIES. Admins, Mods and NWO are all authorities trusted with enforcing these rules on the forum.
If you have a problem with an Admin, mod, or NWO, do NOT challenge them in the forum. Instead, contact them via Instant messenger, PM, or email and discuss the issue.
If that does not help, you can try contacting another authority (preferably NOT Tmyapp).

The first rule used to be "No flaming", but I guess it seems not bugging the mods is more important than if we set fire to the general section.

Quote[/b] ]2) NO FLAMING. This means no insulting, provoking, attacking, etc.
This applies to EVERYONE--NO EXCEPTIONS. Dont be suprised if we dont give warnings for this.

Here's another funny thing. I don't think he's realized, but the last I heard, the forum was on a warnings basis. Why? Because when you reach 5, you can't post. There's no need for bans, once you get 5, it's over for your posting privillages. This worked well, except for when the mods "accidentally" double click the warn option.

Do, if we don't get warnings, what do we get? Automatic banning? Oh yeah, that's really neat. What if we don't get punishment at all? That'd be fliping sweet.

The point is, we need a universal warning system. I'm tired of seeing the mods who think they're big poop saying "I'm gonna be the meanest mod ever!" There's a reason for the status quo, and just how us members can't think out of the box, I don't think mods should be able to set their own "rulez" and punishments.

So, to make this clear for me, is there a warning system? What's the point of having warning bars is some mods aren't gonna use them?

Quote[/b] ]6) NO EXCESSIVELY LONG POSTS. If it takes up more than one screen (on 800x600 resolution), then it had better be completely on topic, and a worthwhile contribution to the thread.
6a) NO EXCESSIVE QUOTING! Do NOT quote a quote of a quote, this WILL get your post deleted, edited, shamed, etc.

Now this is what I think is bullpoop. No exessibly long posts? That's what I'm not sure if he realizes, but that post he just posted is "excessibly long" under his BS deffenition. I don't know about you, but you should warn about EXCESSIVELY SHORT POSTS, not long. Long keeps the forum alive.

And another thing, who has a 800x600 screan? If you don't want to read what we have to say, then don't. No body is forcing you to read it.

And the second one - wtf is that? I'm also all about the quoting everything, as you can see. Really, why prosecute people for this? This is the first forum i've ever seen that has a rule against long posts and quotes. It's rediculous, what is this, Fahrenheit 451? -_-

I wish we still had warmor's rules.

Quote[/b] ]9) DO NOT BUG TMYAPP.

10) DO NOT BUG TMYAPP.

Warmor had like 15 rules, about sigs, about "where to get help", about where each post should go, about sexual topics, everything. 9 and 10 on yours are pretty much redundant of #1. 6 and 6a are rediculous. Where's warmor?


I really, really want Warmor's rules back. Even though I had my quarrels with those rules, they were clear and concise. There was no "z" on those rules, everybody took them siriously. Half these rules are laughable.

Someone please, get Warmor's rules back.


Oh and discuss.

Oh and plz don ban me but trth hurtz k thx bye.

[evryoung8998]

Warmors rules were more dedicated and well put out than any rule I have seen aswell. The new rules are kind of ridiculous, especially 9 and 10 being the same. Warmor had well thought out rules on how warnings will be used and how sigs are done, where to request one, size limit etc.

[raddaman0628]

7 and 10 are basicly useless, 7 is stated in 3 and 10 is just a copy of 9 =/. 6 doesn't really apply to you but it does seem unfair.

[luis000]

wel i said warmor rules was just great

[alamgir]

Come on, you didn't think they were put in order of importance did you?

[evilkenfire]

it doesn't even mater wat the order should have been, we just sayin them some good rules

[Dark_Paladin_X]

At the current time. Warmor isn't around.

Until he comes back to "re-make" the rules, there isn't much that can be done..aside form having someone else make the rules...

Think about it this way. If none was made, would you want people using the excuse "but there's no rules topic. How should i know what the rules are?"

I think it makes sense.

[luis000]

i guess dpx is right

[evryoung8998]

Quote[/b] (alamgir @ Sep. 30 2005,3:49)]Come on, you didn't think they were put in order of importance did you?
It doesn't even matter about order, it matters about how the rules are quite rediculous in some ways. I mean, some parts could have been stated better, and the part of the qutes and long posts, is just nonsense.

[Venomous-Ninja]

Yea, Warmor had all the rules down, stated as close to perfect as humanly possible, covered all the rules, posted links to the original topic to get more information about the rules, Warmor thought of it all.

[Virtual Fighter]

We should just go around breaking the rules that aren't covered by these new "rulz" but were in warmors'.


cuttoasceneofmegettingbanned.

[Nas]

lol, For some reason this really seems like a good arguement........I love this guy^

[Virtual Fighter]

I love you too. Maybe we should start a cybersex thread since these new "rulz" don't say anything against it.

[Bob~Marley4004]

Yeah. They were kind of nice.. he really "broke" stuff down to earth. I hope he remember what he had put.

[Venomous-Ninja]

He will, hehe, RULE BRAKING TIME!

Note: If I follow what I just said I will not see you in a very, very long time!

[Nas]

lol, Warmor probably dosent have time to write out rulez, O well, I guess the mods are trying to be "hip"......missed it by abit I reckon.

Well who cares, I dont even reckon they follow there own rulez, So why should we, hehe

[SSJKarma]

do you realize the stupidity you created in this topic ?

you talk about rulz not being carefully or even seriously wroten... but have you even realized that tmyapp isn't the one controlling the forum around here ? did you realize it isn't him who was supposed to wrote those rulz ? i think no since the first thing you do since the forum is up is to complain about something in the news. wanna have better rulz, well write them and send em to an admin i'm sure he will gladly put them in. after all this is how we always did it !

i would also read the rulz betterly... that is if i were you... cause that rant about excessive long post had a clause in it that you seem to have forgotten to understand ! let me recap it for you !

don't do excessive posts for nothing UNLESS YOU ARE ON_TOPIC TILL THE END that meant that you can do excessively long post like him... but he doesn't want you to go off-topic in that same post. writing a long post is good... as long as it stays on topic for more then 2/3 of the whole post !

conclusion... you rant for nothing... as always...
want to have warmor's rulz back, ask him instead of ranting in here or even better write them yourself and throw them at an admin like i said before !

[Nas]

Your site needs work http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Virtual Fighter]

Quote[/b] ]do you realize the stupidity you created in this topic ?

Thanks for acting like a mod. -_-'

Quote[/b] ]you talk about rulz not being carefully or even seriously wroten... but have you even realized that tmyapp isn't the one controlling the forum around here ? did you realize it isn't him who was supposed to wrote those rulz ?

Do you realize that I or anyone else never said the word "Tmyapp" or any variation of that name in this entire thread and that I spacifically blamed Viper2040?

Did you even read my post before opening your big mouth? -_-'
I guess that's why rules 6 and 6A were created, because stupid people refuse to read long posts.

Quote[/b] ]i think no since the first thing you do since the forum is up is to complain about something in the news.

I complain because the rules aren't clear and concise enough to govern this forum the way it should. Why do I complain? Because I care about this forum too much? And that's opposed to you who is too lazy to write better rules. You leave this on us?

Tmyapp and others have said this is not a democracy, it's a dictators. Dictators makes the rules, democracies leave the governing to the people. Expecting us to write the rules ourselves is hypocritical and stupid.

Quote[/b] ]wanna have better rulz, well write them and send em to an admin i'm sure he will gladly put them in. after all this is how we always did it !

Actually, I specifically remember different mods and admins writing the rules themselves, then Warmor combining them to one topic in order to make it clear. I've never seen the authority take into concideration what we want, ofcourse, this is a "dictatorship", a crappy one at that.

Quote[/b] ]i would also read the rulz betterly... that is if i were you... cause that rant about excessive long post had a clause in it that you seem to have forgotten to understand ! let me recap it for you !

Betterly isn't a word, and a rant has to be atleast longer than a couple of sentances.


So, if I have to write the rules, i'm going to write them the way I want to write them. Did you even check with the admins before suggesting that? -_-'

[evilkenfire]

i agree wit them break the rules not listed, go crazy have fun, if youget banned go to bg, go crazy get banned now wat http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif wats the point of breakin the rules man no point at all

[SSJKarma]

Quote[/b] ]Thanks for acting like a mod. -_-'
thanks to you...

Quote[/b] ]Do you realize that I or anyone else never said the word "Tmyapp" or any variation of that name in this entire thread and that I spacifically blamed Viper2040?

Did you even read my post before opening your big mouth? -_-'
I guess that's why rules 6 and 6A were created, because stupid people refuse to read long posts.

Well nobody is perfect and contrary to you i am the first to tell when i am wrong about something... i admit i didn't take a good look at WHO created that thing... so forget me if i was mistaken...

Quote[/b] ]I complain because the rules aren't clear and concise enough to govern this forum the way it should. Why do I complain? Because I care about this forum too much? And that's opposed to you who is too lazy to write better rules. You leave this on us?

Tmyapp and others have said this is not a democracy, it's a dictators. Dictators makes the rules, democracies leave the governing to the people. Expecting us to write the rules ourselves is hypocritical and stupid.
did you even know that a dictator can't do much if th epeople around him do not let themselves at it ? we do care about what you think since this is what makes this place so special and fun... but we gotta do something to make you guys respect each other or chaos will just be the downfall of this. you say that i am to lazy to do better rulz, but i don't see you do anything more then complaining around all the times. when is the last time you donated ? when is the last time you actually heklped someone instead of bragging about anything around here. i'll tell you you aren't even betteer then any ####s coming over here !

think you're so special... proove it cause for now you didn't do very much up until this day !

Quote[/b] ]
Actually, I specifically remember different mods and admins writing the rules themselves, then Warmor combining them to one topic in order to make it clear. I've never seen the authority take into concideration what we want, ofcourse, this is a "dictatorship", a crappy one at that.

never seen the authority taken you into account ?
well you clearly never been in real forums now do you... for all i knowblanka09 didn't came to be a mod since th ebeginning you know, he did help a lot by suggesthing things a lot and that is why he became one int he first place. same for me, same for paladin X same for nferno same for almost all mods.

did you even noticed how the new members help forum is working... its not us int here who do most of th ejob, its you guys the users. next time take your time before complaining because yes this might be a crappy dictatorship, but at least we respect the users unlike you who is all against the machines and complains about everything.

as i already said you want better rulz, instead of asking, why not do it and see with a mod if they are ok to be used as rulz !

Quote[/b] ]Betterly isn't a word, and a rant has to be atleast longer than a couple of sentances.


So, if I have to write the rules, i'm going to write them the way I want to write them. Did you even check with the admins before suggesting that? -_-'
well i don't car eif its not a word, english isn't my primary language and even if it was it wouldn't change anything to it, you understanded it and that's all that matters.

i don't need to ask them for i know they think the same way. for up to now they didn't complain about my part of the job. and clearly if you would write rulz the way you talk... well clearly you aren't even better then viper2040 at it, so i think you should just shut up and stop complaining... after all you dislike things... we're not keeping you here !

one last thing... wanna help the community...

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>STOP BITCHING AND COMPLAINING</span>
then maybe things will be better int he future !

[viper2040]

alright, Im here to make some clarifications.
Note that the rules posting assumes you have a human mind, and are capable of a small degree of common sense.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>The first rule used to be "No flaming", but I guess it seems not bugging the mods is more important than if we set fire to the general section.</span>
Rule one was made rule one because it IS the most important. WHATEVER an NWO, mod, or admin says, GOES. The only exception is when that person is overruled by a higher authority. Virtual Fighter, you will note that it says NOTHING about not BUGGING us. It simply states that our word is law.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>Here's another funny thing. I don't think he's realized, but the last I heard, the forum was on a warnings basis. Why? Because when you reach 5, you can't post. There's no need for bans, once you get 5, it's over for your posting privillages. This worked well, except for when the mods "accidentally" double click the warn option.</span>
"you dont think i heard"? Last I checked, WE make the rules here (see rule 1), and can choose not to warn if we so desire. Bans can indeed be needed, especially for repeat infractions. Note that I never said we WON'T warn, just that we might not.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>Do, if we don't get warnings, what do we get? Automatic banning? Oh yeah, that's really neat. What if we don't get punishment at all? That'd be fliping sweet.</span>
Please dont insult us by assuming we cant make those kind of decisions. We MIGHT warn, and we might not. We might reset post count for spammers, or limit where they can post. Let us worry about punishment.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>The point is, we need a universal warning system. I'm tired of seeing the mods who think they're big poop saying "I'm gonna be the meanest mod ever!" There's a reason for the status quo, and just how us members can't think out of the box, I don't think mods should be able to set their own "rulez" and punishments.</span>
Thats fine. Suggestions are always welcome. As for mods being mean, dont you think that maybe its because some members dont respond to anything else? And as for why we can set our own rules, well, I'd say thats because TMyApp granted us that right. Read the reply to my rules post--TmyApp seems to support us mods/admins when we make rules.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>Now this is what I think is bullpoop. No exessibly long posts? That's what I'm not sure if he realizes, but that post he just posted is "excessibly long" under his BS deffenition. I don't know about you, but you should warn about EXCESSIVELY SHORT POSTS, not long. Long keeps the forum alive.

And another thing, who has a 800x600 screan? If you don't want to read what we have to say, then don't. No body is forcing you to read it.</span>
The rule youre referring to (rule 6) asks you to have just a little common sense. You will note that it says EXCESSIVELY long, and that if it IS long, it needs to have a good reason for being long. That means that very long philosophic discussions would be allowed; posting "make me a mod" 800 times in one post would NOT.

As for the 800x600 rule, that was actually taken from a rule by either LeftyFB or TmyApp, who dont want to have to skip over long posts. If you disagree with their rules, take it up with them (good luck).

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>And the second one - wtf is that? I'm also all about the quoting everything, as you can see. Really, why prosecute people for this? This is the first forum i've ever seen that has a rule against long posts and quotes. It's rediculous, what is this, Fahrenheit 451? -_-</span>
There is NEVER a reason to have a quote within a quote within a quote. It looks ugly, results in long posts that have NO meaning,and is quite frankly annoying to look at. I never said you couldnt quote, or use quoting ina reasonable manner.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>Warmor had like 15 rules, about sigs, about "where to get help", about where each post should go, about sexual topics, everything. 9 and 10 on yours are pretty much redundant of #1. 6 and 6a are rediculous. Where's warmor?</span>
Warmor added rules to a bloated rules section. The section got erased, and I made up a rules list. Mods and admins can still revise it, but right now, I dont see why they would.
Wheres warmor? No idea, but that may be why he didnt do the rules list.
Oh, and dont confuse this with a democracy. Like all businesses/websites/services on the internet, if you cannot comply with our rules, you're free to leave. We're not asking for too much here.

Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>I really, really want Warmor's rules back. Even though I had my quarrels with those rules, they were clear and concise. There was no "z" on those rules, everybody took them siriously. Half these rules are laughable.

Someone please, get Warmor's rules back.
...
Oh and plz don ban me but trth hurtz k thx bye.</span>
Before posting these "laughable" rules, I ran them by blanka09, Nferno666, and KidKrazy****. They met with approval. After posting, TMyApp approved them. If you can explain why my rules have problems, other than that theyre different than the ones we used to have, let me know. All Im reading from you is the following:
A) I added a 'z' to the end of rule
B) My rules arent Warmor's rules
C) You didnt fully read my rules

As for why i spelled rules with a z, A) it doesnt really matter, and B) Because Im willing to try anything to get people to actually read the rules, for once.

No, I wont ban you, since youre offering constructive, if somewhat cutting and unfounded, criticism. I say unfounded because again, you dont seem to have fully read the rules.


Also, many of you jokingly talked of starting a cybersex thread since it "wasnt covered in the rules"....Ahem..
Quote[/b] ]
<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:Red'>3) KEEP ALL POSTS (and signatures) CLEAN.</span></span>
<span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>This includes language, links, signatures, etc. If in doubt, dont post it.
To clarify--no cursing, filter bypassing, use of offensive language, porn, links to porn, hentai, links to hentai, etc.</span>
I'd say rule 3 is pretty all inclusive, especially with that etc at the end. 'Etc' is understood to mean "and so on, and so forth", for all you nitpickers out there.

Anyone who needs clarification on any rule can feel free to ask.
Comments?

[blanka09]

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Virtual~Fighter: Have a problem with any specific rule ?? Send us a private message. Creating a topic does nothing but give ppl room to bitch. If you've got any problem, then send us a message and we'll give you specific boundaries by which to commit... or NOT commit an act http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin2.gif