A question

**donkios** · 01-02-2019, 09:43 PM

Now that everything's up in flame and the game is at its darkest point I just want to know the general consensus about why people were so against Vindicator?

Before I was active on the forums and started doing Clan battles, tournaments, event, etc. Vindicated Akuma, Ken and Wolv were my favorite characters to use. When I became active on UG I started seeing a lot of elitism towards vindi players and as the player base got smaller most of the people i'd run into in the servers would only play unvind

What's everyones reasoning behind abandoning one of the biggest updates SFO ever saw? I remember people talking about glitches but the only glitch I could remember was the VIP Ken instakill. Were there tons of people using SG or is there some other reason?

xfaderx · 01-02-2019, 11:22 PM

I'm pretty sure the 'best' users at the time were all speed enhanced in some way. Vindi meant they couldn't do that anymore so as a result many of them lost interest in the game altogether.
Also another reason why all tournaments and clan battles were fought with Vindi on, yet you'll hear all the 'vets' say their clan was the best which was before Vindi came along...

ViperRyu2 · 01-02-2019, 11:25 PM

I think the vast majority of players loved the idea of vind. It was a complete refresh for the game adding so much more depths to a character. If players were not fond of it, they just keep vind off, so I wouldn't say that scared players away.

**eviltomas** · 01-02-2019, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by donkios

Now that everything's up in flame and the game is at its darkest point I just want to know the general consensus about why people were so against Vindicator?

Before I was active on the forums and started doing Clan battles, tournaments, event, etc. Vindicated Akuma, Ken and Wolv were my favorite characters to use. When I became active on UG I started seeing a lot of elitism towards vindi players and as the player base got smaller most of the people i'd run into in the servers would only play unvind

What's everyones reasoning behind abandoning one of the biggest updates SFO ever saw? I remember people talking about glitches but the only glitch I could remember was the VIP Ken instakill. Were there tons of people using SG or is there some other reason?

I didn't know wolverine had vindicated perks o_O

~H~Blaze · 01-03-2019, 03:46 AM

Vindication gives you access to bigger hit boxes than unvind. So where in unvind a simple crouch block wolf avoid all damage, in lvl 0(vind on) you take a lot of chip. That was my only issue with vind back in the day. These days I just leave vind on and play unvind vs vets to prove who’s better without gimmicks.

KingofStreetfighter101 · 01-03-2019, 01:52 PM

Vindicator effects used to slow down older PCs back in 2k6-2k7 and like Blaze said made some moves better.

IMO, it also made people who were vindicated have an advantage over players who were using library comps or didn't have admin privileges to install GV.

I personally loved using Unvindicated ryu since he was simple and straight to the point. The speed gear usage was probably another reason at that point, but I can't confirm that.

Wolverine had a larger hitbox on fatal claw in GV IIRC

**Shadow_Raichu** · 01-03-2019, 07:54 PM

The way I see it @donkios. With Vindication, some players will play with vind ON only because of the extra moves & supers for their in-game characters. (Examples, ryu, iron-man, & sakura).

Honestly speaking.. I find the only reason why most players were against other players (with vindi) is cuz they complain/belly-ache/bad tempers in 2vs2 brawl fights of winnin/losing, tag fights, or using unnecessary programs that cuz cheating to win 95% of the time. feel me? only my 2 cents in...

**eviltomas** · 01-03-2019, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Raichu

The way I see it @donkios. With Vindication, some players will play with vind ON only because of the extra moves & supers for their in-game characters. (Examples, ryu, iron-man, & sakura).

Honestly speaking.. I find the only reason why most players were against other players (with vindi) is cuz they complain/belly-ache/bad tempers in 2vs2 brawl fights of winnin/losing, tag fights, or using unnecessary programs that cuz cheating to win 95% of the time. feel me? only my 2 cents in...

The unvind days were pretty fun tho until vindicated was released for Ryu in 06. My first insights when vindicator was released for Ryu, I got MUGEN vibes lol. I was 8 at the time so I never really understood the aspects of this game.. My brother taught me everything I know about SFO

**donkios** · 01-04-2019, 10:38 PM

I forgot how laggy vind made my old ass laptop. Makes sense considering most of us were playing on POS PCs back in the day lol

~H~Blaze · 01-05-2019, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by donkios

I forgot how laggy vind made my old ass laptop. Makes sense considering most of us were playing on POS PCs back in the day lol

^ this as well.

LiquidSnake78 · 01-08-2019, 03:55 PM

The vindicated effectswent to SF chars, where marvel chars were DWX effects.

The overall game vind slowed things down. I remembered it always made my CPU skyrocket to process RAM. lol.

the big flaws, as some pretty much stated.
1 - stopped those who purposed lagged or speed the game(which at the time, was a vast majority of the top players at some point)
2 - glitchy effects (though the game looked more exciting)
3 - once it got exploited (finding ways around/abusing it), at the time, the game was popular, and to many ppl seen it as pointless to have / enforce
4 - it glitched out/locked out those who actually did have slow connects/pc's, and constantly locked em out because gv detected something. (or false-detection), and at the time, it was like a waiting list to get unbanned that way.

D.Bahki · 01-23-2019, 01:53 PM

Cause its for nubs.

/ElitePr0Out.

~H~Blaze · 01-25-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by D.Bahki

Cause its for nubs.

/ElitePr0Out.

This noob knows.

|ChimpY| · 01-27-2019, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by D.Bahki

Cause its for nubs.

/ElitePr0Out.

took the words from my mouth...I am ken User not no vind Ken user yuck...I think ppl didnt like it cuz it buffed the characters when they were fine the way they are.

**Shadow_Raichu** · 01-27-2019, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiquidSnake78

The vindicated effectswent to SF chars, where marvel chars were DWX effects.

The overall game vind slowed things down. I remembered it always made my CPU skyrocket to process RAM. lol.

the big flaws, as some pretty much stated.
1 - stopped those who purposed lagged or speed the game(which at the time, was a vast majority of the top players at some point)
2 - glitchy effects (though the game looked more exciting)
3 - once it got exploited (finding ways around/abusing it), at the time, the game was popular, and to many ppl seen it as pointless to have / enforce
4 - it glitched out/locked out those who actually did have slow connects/pc's, and constantly locked em out because gv detected something. (or false-detection), and at the time, it was like a waiting list to get unbanned that way.

ya I agree with this statement... no wonder GV made things worse if ur PC/laptop started to glitch SFO. What a shame!!!

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01-02-2019, 09:43 PM	#1
donkios VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte. NC Age: 25 Posts: 2,797 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 185 Rep Power: 5431	A question Now that everything's up in flame and the game is at its darkest point I just want to know the general consensus about why people were so against Vindicator? Before I was active on the forums and started doing Clan battles, tournaments, event, etc. Vindicated Akuma, Ken and Wolv were my favorite characters to use. When I became active on UG I started seeing a lot of elitism towards vindi players and as the player base got smaller most of the people i'd run into in the servers would only play unvind What's everyones reasoning behind abandoning one of the biggest updates SFO ever saw? I remember people talking about glitches but the only glitch I could remember was the VIP Ken instakill. Were there tons of people using SG or is there some other reason? __________________ --------------------------------------------------------

01-02-2019, 11:22 PM	#2
xfaderx SECTION 1 & 2 Join Date: Jul 2002 Age: 40 Posts: 4,455 Tournaments Joined: 1 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 1671 Rep Power: 0	Re: A question I'm pretty sure the 'best' users at the time were all speed enhanced in some way. Vindi meant they couldn't do that anymore so as a result many of them lost interest in the game altogether. Also another reason why all tournaments and clan battles were fought with Vindi on, yet you'll hear all the 'vets' say their clan was the best which was before Vindi came along...

01-02-2019, 11:25 PM	#3
ViperRyu2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 9 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 6 Rep Power: 0	Re: A question I think the vast majority of players loved the idea of vind. It was a complete refresh for the game adding so much more depths to a character. If players were not fond of it, they just keep vind off, so I wouldn't say that scared players away. __________________

01-03-2019, 03:46 AM	#5
~H~Blaze BANNED BY: TMyApp Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: LA Age: 26 Posts: 3,305 Tournaments Joined: 2 Tournaments Won: 1 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 1498 Rep Power: 0	Re: A question Vindication gives you access to bigger hit boxes than unvind. So where in unvind a simple crouch block wolf avoid all damage, in lvl 0(vind on) you take a lot of chip. That was my only issue with vind back in the day. These days I just leave vind on and play unvind vs vets to prove who’s better without gimmicks.

01-03-2019, 01:52 PM	#6
KingofStreetfighter101 SECTION 1 & 2 Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 28 Posts: 2,319 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 33 Rep Power: 0	Re: A question Vindicator effects used to slow down older PCs back in 2k6-2k7 and like Blaze said made some moves better. IMO, it also made people who were vindicated have an advantage over players who were using library comps or didn't have admin privileges to install GV. I personally loved using Unvindicated ryu since he was simple and straight to the point. The speed gear usage was probably another reason at that point, but I can't confirm that. Wolverine had a larger hitbox on fatal claw in GV IIRC

01-03-2019, 07:54 PM	#7
Shadow_Raichu Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 33 Posts: 903 Tournaments Joined: 3 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 187 Rep Power: 2865	Re: A question The way I see it @donkios. With Vindication, some players will play with vind ON only because of the extra moves & supers for their in-game characters. (Examples, ryu, iron-man, & sakura). Honestly speaking.. I find the only reason why most players were against other players (with vindi) is cuz they complain/belly-ache/bad tempers in 2vs2 brawl fights of winnin/losing, tag fights, or using unnecessary programs that cuz cheating to win 95% of the time. feel me? only my 2 cents in... __________________ My SFO History Information Over the Years IGNs: Avatar-killers/Runney/Shadow_Raichu Position: SFO Staff In-Game/Forum Moderator of 2018/2019 Game Modes: XvsSF/Zero-E only Characters: Wolverine/Sentinel/Spiderman/Chun-li/Ryu/Cyclops

01-04-2019, 10:38 PM	#9
donkios VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte. NC Age: 25 Posts: 2,797 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 185 Rep Power: 5431	Re: A question I forgot how laggy vind made my old ass laptop. Makes sense considering most of us were playing on POS PCs back in the day lol __________________ --------------------------------------------------------

01-08-2019, 03:55 PM	#11
LiquidSnake78 SECTION 1 & 2 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NY Age: 29 Posts: 3,591 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 994 Rep Power: 0	Re: A question The vindicated effectswent to SF chars, where marvel chars were DWX effects. The overall game vind slowed things down. I remembered it always made my CPU skyrocket to process RAM. lol. the big flaws, as some pretty much stated. 1 - stopped those who purposed lagged or speed the game(which at the time, was a vast majority of the top players at some point) 2 - glitchy effects (though the game looked more exciting) 3 - once it got exploited (finding ways around/abusing it), at the time, the game was popular, and to many ppl seen it as pointless to have / enforce 4 - it glitched out/locked out those who actually did have slow connects/pc's, and constantly locked em out because gv detected something. (or false-detection), and at the time, it was like a waiting list to get unbanned that way.

01-23-2019, 01:53 PM	#12
D.Bahki BANNED BY: TMyApp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 28 Posts: 1,809 Tournaments Joined: 4 Tournaments Won: 0 Post Thanks / Like Chats: 518 Rep Power: 0	Re: A question Cause its for nubs. /ElitePr0Out.

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