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There is a god. Or so say Christoph Benzmuller and Bruno Woltzenlogel Paleo, two Berlin-based computer scientists who recently announced they've proven a decades-old theory by mathematician Kurt Godel, which makes a case for the existence of God. The theory, known as Godel's ontological proof, is summed up like this: "God, by definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist."

Did Benzmuller and Paleo lose you there? No wonder, because there's a whole lot of complicated math that goes into proving the theory, which the duo worked using a simple number-crunching program on a personal computer. The purpose of the exercise was to illustrate how computers have evolved to solve our most complicated problems. We're just glad they cleared up that whole God question along the way. [Source] [Source]
given the nature of how sensitive you members are and how easily offended anyone of you can be... this article has intrigued me enough to actually share it here....

with that said, your objective if you plan to comment on the article....

THE ARTICLE!!!
is to try to make sense of the theory and please.... please do not attack, belittle or defame anyone in this topic based on anything, and I mean ANYTHING!!!

you all know I regulate my topic and this is a article, nothing to be taken seriously

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@snake - its impossible to discuss the article WITHOUT discussing the SUBJECT of the article, which is GOD

but lets see how other members will handle this...

and for the science people who're trying to find every reason for everything, the creation, life, big bang, etc..

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As stated in the article ...

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I've always believed in a god ( Which one is still undecided) But I don't feed into all that other stuff. What I am saying is I believe that there is a higher power, I do not know which religion is the "one" to follow by, but there must be something to interconnect us all.


Also numbers can be seen / used in just about any and everything! all things in being has a connection mathematically.

I know some members of the community is familiar with the show "Touch" and despite all of the negative comments I've heard from members of this community. I still think it was a solid season that actually spoke some truth about the whole situation.

Anywho I know we might not see it in our lifetime, But I am very interested to see how these mathematical equations can be carried out once they finally get more in depth in the quantum computing era.

Oh the possibilities one could wonder.
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So there's a mathematical proof that proves that there is something beyond human comprehension.
Therefore, something beyond human comprehension exists and that is proven. God is supposed to be beyond human comprehension so therefore, the math proves that there is a "God." Whether this is Jehovah, Muhammad, Nirvana, Brahmin, Zeus, Odin, Zenu, etc is not explained, just simply that there is something that humans cannot comprehend. I think "God" is quite a stretch for this math, it's just a logic formula/trap
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God exists

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Anywho I know we might not see it in our lifetime, But I am very interested to see how these mathematical equations can be carried out once they finally get more in depth in the quantum computing era.

Oh the possibilities one could wonder.
I know right..

All people believe in something even if they are unaware that they are. Then most religions preach the same thing but people get caught up so much in names of things and differences in cultures to notice the similarities. Being open minded to people cultures, beliefs, ideals, and life style is key.

That's all I have to say.
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They proved that Kurt Godel's proof was mathematically sound, not that the claim was true in itself. You'd have to accept his axioms which are premises that are just accepted as true.
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Unfortunately maths can say whatever you want it to say.

i could devise a formula saying that 2+2=22 and i'd be right. the same way 2+2=4. or the same way 12+1 = 1 is true. unfortunately in this reality there are so many things being true reguardless of people thinking otherwise. what might be true for one might not be for another, but the fact is... all those truths are just views of the people.

Taking newtons laws for exemple... many of them are true int heir ways, but they also could easily be prooven false if looked at another way. in the end only einstein was brilliant enough to know that even him had made mistakes even though we claimed he discovered a lot.

this is what i think of this article and that formula...
when you add things, more things its gonna mean.
its always gonna be like that.
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If you devise a formula saying 2+2=22, then all of math would be a lie.
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wow, didnt know my grade school math teacher had been f*** up with me with her lessons lol
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Unfortunately maths can say whatever you want it to say.

i could devise a formula saying that 2+2=22 and i'd be right. the same way 2+2=4. or the same way 12+1 = 1 is true. unfortunately in this reality there are so many things being true reguardless of people thinking otherwise. what might be true for one might not be for another, but the fact is... all those truths are just views of the people.

Taking newtons laws for exemple... many of them are true int heir ways, but they also could easily be prooven false if looked at another way. in the end only einstein was brilliant enough to know that even him had made mistakes even though we claimed he discovered a lot.

this is what i think of this article and that formula...
when you add things, more things its gonna mean.
its always gonna be like that.
You can devise a formula saying 2+2=22 if 2=11

Yes but to just take blow it out of proportion like that... You need to be removed from this topic
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Unfortunately maths can say whatever you want it to say.

i could devise a formula saying that 2+2=22 and i'd be right. the same way 2+2=4. or the same way 12+1 = 1 is true. unfortunately in this reality there are so many things being true reguardless of people thinking otherwise. what might be true for one might not be for another, but the fact is... all those truths are just views of the people.

Taking newtons laws for exemple... many of them are true int heir ways, but they also could easily be prooven false if looked at another way. in the end only einstein was brilliant enough to know that even him had made mistakes even though we claimed he discovered a lot.

this is what i think of this article and that formula...
when you add things, more things its gonna mean.
its always gonna be like that.
Hence why I will always hate math entirely

When just dealing with numbers, it's one thing, but the next step up into algebra and calculus is what really mind****s you around because "x" can equal anything you want first off, then you gotta prove it is that value via using a ton of other variables like m, d, c and y

Pretty much what's going on in this equation to prove the deity, making up a loop no1 can understand
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If you devise a formula saying 2+2=22, then all of math would be a lie.
But they made Winston accept 2+2=5 lol
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Drunken...
Type in "2"+"2"= in a computer or a scientific calculator... you'll get 22 as an answer !
because in my sentence right there, what you guys felt the need to see was that it was a mathematical equation. which it wasn't ! if the number 2 is taken as a word, then 2 as a word added 2 as another word, qould simply equal the word 22. or 2 2 which to me still equals 22 but with a space in between.

the reality is that school molded you into thinking logically. but they failed to show you that logic has multiple instances of reality. hence what is logical for one, might not be for another individual.

Logically speaking, all those variables, like solid just said... could be anything you actually wanted them to be. the same could be said about god or any deities here. since we work with nothing and there are so many variables. the fact remains that those variables could end up being whatever each individuals wants them to be.

Resolve this equation for me...
X+Y+Z=A

simple equation but all mathematical geniuses will tell you that its easy to sovle as the variables can be whatever you want it to be. the answer to that equation would then be... 1+2+3=6 and it would be right... another person could say 3+3+3=9 and he would be right as well.

another exemple...
pluto was a planet not too long ago, now its not...
what did you do, you adapted and started saying its not. but to some people that defintiion of the word planet didn't make sens, so to them pluto is still a planet.

all this cause i the end, everything could be everything !
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Two scientist out of tens of thousands in the world.
Let's see if this stands up to a peer reviewed analysis.
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Type in "2"+"2"= in a computer or a scientific calculator... you'll get 22 as an answer !
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Drunken...
Type in "2"+"2"= in a computer or a scientific calculator... you'll get 22 as an answer !
because in my sentence right there, what you guys felt the need to see was that it was a mathematical equation. which it wasn't ! if the number 2 is taken as a word, then 2 as a word added 2 as another word, qould simply equal the word 22. or 2 2 which to me still equals 22 but with a space in between.
This is an example of a user not knowing how to use their tools, and doesn't touch upon the concept of math itself.
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God is produced when there are no other explanations.
Thus god will exist until we are all knowing.
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God is produced when there are no other explanations.
Thus god will exist until we are all knowing.

I don't think there will ever be a "god" i think technology could lead to a point where we could appear as ones...such ass Mass Engineering Projects[changing the environment of a planet/terraforming] Accerlated evolution, advanced cloning etc.

Sorry Solid if we're taking your topic off course we mean this in good spirit. If you don't mind.
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I don't think there will ever be a "god" i think technology could lead to a point where we could appear as ones...such ass Mass Engineering Projects[changing the environment of a planet/terraforming] Accerlated evolution, advanced cloning etc.

Sorry Solid if we're taking your topic off course we mean this in good spirit. If you don't mind.
I am on the train right now....

I am looking over this topic with great scrutiny

no personal attacks are being made so I will let this stand some more

but kam, lux and itachi need to respond to the article better than that
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